'She-Hulk's' Jon Bass Breaks Down Finale and Shares Hopes for Todd's Future

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The She-Hulk: Attorney at Law finale featured many surprising moments, so much so that even the cast members were shocked by it with actor Jon Bass telling Newsweek it "blew [his] mind."

Bass' character Todd Phelps was revealed to be the Hulk King in the finale, the mysterious villain who had been targeting Jennifer Walters (Tatiana Maslany) behind the scenes despite being one of her clients.

The finale saw Todd use a serum of Jennifer's blood to get superpowers like hers, which did work out for him... for about two minutes before Jennifer decided to stop the show and head out into the "real" world to visit Marvel Studios and complain.

'She-Hulk's' Jon Bass Breaks Down Show's Meta Finale

Tatiana Maslany and Jon Bass in She-Hulk
Tatiana Maslany and Jon Bass as Jennifer Walters and Todd Phelps in "She-Hulk: Attorney at Law." Bass spoke to Newsweek about the Marvel show's meta finale, and how he felt about Todd getting superpowers only... Marvel Studios 2022. All Rights Reserved.

Jennifer goes to boss Kevin (a robot that is a reference to Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige) to talk about the writing and change the direction the show is taking, meaning that Todd loses his powers as soon as he gets them.

This was something that Bass found fascinating about the show, saying that no other Marvel TV show or film was capable of doing what She-Hulk pulled off in its finale.

"When I read it the first time, it blew my mind. I couldn't believe that they were doing it and I immediately fell in love," Bass told Newsweek.

"I fell in love with the series from the first script that I read and by the time I got to the last episode I was obsessed with it. So, getting to see it all come to life and they did such a good job, I was obsessed. I was fully obsessed and [my] mind meltingly loved it, and I just loved the way Kevin looked. He was so cute."

Jennifer's complaints around Todd getting Hulk powers were fun for Bass, who claimed that it helped make the show "groundbreaking" and stand out from the rest: "I loved the finale so much for every single reason.

"Like I love that Todd got his powers and then they got taken away from them. It makes so much sense for a character like She-Hulk who breaks the fourth wall, who has this whole relationship with the audience, and apparently with Kevin as well.

"But that is sort of what I think makes the show so groundbreaking [...] is that you couldn't do this on any other Marvel property. You can only do this with She-Hulk and getting the opportunity to be a part of that is amazing."

On Todd's Hulk King Reveal and Calling Out Toxic Fandom

Bass knew when he took on the role of Todd that he was going to be unmasked as the Hulk King, the leader of a group of incels who make She-Hulk the target of their misogynistic complaints.

He called his character "a piece of s**t" and a "nightmare," but said: "I loved playing Todd so much, I think he is so funny, it's really interesting to play a character who should be despised. And when I was playing Todd I wasn't thinking of 'how do I make this person despicable?' That wasn't my guiding star.

"It was just 'how do I make this person feel like he would be in these moments?' And, so, I just tried to play myself as thinking I'm the hottest person in the world. And I think that that's sort of where Todd lives in. He just thinks he's so cool which is my nightmare of how I could have turned out, but [it] worked out really well. People really hate him."

Reflecting on the way in which Todd's storyline calls out toxic masculinity in the Marvel fandom, he went on: "What blows me away is, beyond reading it for the first time, is how three years after [it was written] it was spot on.

"All the comments from that toxic fandom were exactly what are in those scripts and the funny thing to me is that it's not that Jessica [Gao, the show's creator] had a crystal ball that told her what was going to be in the future.

"It's so obvious and it's so repetitive that you can poke fun at it three years from now, 10 years from now, whenever the next female superhero comes along, or the first gay superhero movie comes out, it's going to happen, it's going to be a nightmare with these people.

"But it's nice to be able to just take the air out of it, you know? And that feels good, to be able to be to be the leader of that."

Jon Bass on Season 2 and His Hopes for Todd's Future

Bass went on to share that he "would love" to return for a potential second season of the show, something that is teased in the finale but has yet to be confirmed by Marvel.

"I would love to. I love the creative team of the show," Bass said. "Me and the other cast members on the show became really close, and it really did start to feel like a family towards the end so I would 100 percent be on board for a second season."

Of his hopes for Todd in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, the actor added: "He is a billionaire and we're pretty aware that billionaires don't stay in jail for that long, so I think that there's room to speculate that he had a shortened sentence and he's back at his antics.

"Something that I threw out to Gao that I really enjoyed playing with in my head is that he and Titania [Jameela Jamil's character] start dating, quote unquote, just for social clout, and I just think that would really p**s She-Hulk off."

She-Hulk: Attorney at Law is available to watch in full on Disney+ now.

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