Legal Analyst Outlines Two Unanswered Questions About Cassidy Hutchinson

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A legal analyst listed two questions that were left unanswered about former White House aide Cassidy Hutchinson following the release of her interview with the January 6 Committee.

"But there are two details still unknown: Why did Hutchinson & Meadows have a falling out, as Matthews told Cheney, & when? And who is the House GOP member who urged Hutchinson to choose the path that would allow her to meet "the mirror test"? FIN," tweeted Lisa Rubin, who serves as a legal analyst for MSNBC's Rachel Maddow show.

The tweet from Rubin comes shortly after the Select Committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riots released new documents, including the transcripts of interviews conducted with former White House deputy press secretary Sarah Matthews, and Hutchinson, who served as an aide to former President Donald Trump's Chief of Staff Mark Meadows.

Cassidy Hutchinson and Jan 6 riots
In this combination image, Trump supporters clash with police and security forces as people try to storm the US Capitol on January 6, 2021, in Washington, DC and Cassidy Hutchinson (inset), a top former aide... Getty

The screenshot posted by Rubin includes a portion of the transcript from Hutchinson's interview with the committee, where she speaks about an unnamed lawmaker who spoke with Hutchinson about paying for her legal bills.

"If you do that, just know that you're kind of making your bed and you're getting back in Trump world, Cassidy. That lawyer isn't just going to be working for you. Like, I just—I want you to be aware of that. I'm not telling you to do it or not to do it, but I just—I want you to know that you can't take money like that and expect them to just be working for you and your interests," Hutchinson recalled being told by the unnamed lawmaker.

Hutchinson then recalled speaking again with the unnamed lawmaker who told her that she will need to be the one to "live with the mirror test for the rest of your life."

Hutchinson said during her interview that she had a "mental breakdown" following her conversations with the unknown lawmaker.

The documents released on Thursday reveal new information about the days following the 2020 election, as well as the January 6 riots at the Capitol.

Hutchinson also testified that she was told by Meadows that Trump knew the election "was over."

"He said something to the effect of, 'he knows it's over. He knows he lost. But we are going to keep trying. There's a chance he didn't lose. I want to pull this off for him,'" Hutchinson said while recalling her conversation with Meadows.

Earlier this year, CNN reported that an unnamed former White House aide said that Meadows and Hutchinson had a falling out in 2021; however, it is unclear exactly what caused the rift, as Rubin mentioned in her tweet.

During Matthews' interview with the committee, she spoke about a moment on January 6 when she was asked by reporters about the video released by Trump, where he called the rioters at the capitol "special."

"I remember a specific reporter asking me about that line and trying to defend it off the record. And I was just—I remember thinking to myself: 'What are you doing? Like, this is indefensible,'" Matthews said according to her testimony.

Newsweek reached out to MSNBC for further comment from Rubin.

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